The interview is mostly focused on The Great When with incursions in other territories of interest too.
Alan Moore: [about his fascination with post-war London] I think that the main reason why I wanted to write The Great When was because I'd noticed in my readings that all of my favourite London characters were essentially low-life characters who had slipped through the cracks of conventional history. People like Iron Foot Jack or Prince Monolulu or particularly Austin Osman Spare.
I thought that these people suggested a different history of London and it was that that I wanted to pick out in The Great When.
Samira Ahmed: You know reading the prose of this book from the very first paragraph it feels like you're revelling in painting vivid pictures in words. Is it liberating not writing for comics or did comics liberate you to write this freely?
AM: I think that comics probably certainly affected my writing. Certainly in my later books, in books like Jerusalem, I was very aware that I am known mostly as a comics writer - which is something which I am probably not that happy about and which I'm trying to rectify - but I was aware that I might be seen as a comics writer who suddenly hadn't got an artist.
So I think that I wanted to compensate to make the pictures inside the reader's head and I've come to realise recently that probably the major influence upon all of my prose work would probably be Mervyn Peake.
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| Mervyn Peake |
SA: Do you know I was thinking of him? Yeah, the Titus Groan books.
AM: I've just been reading them to my grandchildren recently and that has reacquainted me with them and I've suddenly realised that he's drunk on language.
He takes off on all of these ridiculous flights of fancy and they are... they're immaculate. The language is perfect, it drips like jewellery and... I was reading them again that I suddenly realised that Mervyn Peake was probably where I got my prose style from. I also realised that I probably got all of my approach to humour, as applied in The Great When, because he is quite funny in places.
But I think I got all of my approach to humour from Galton and Simpson. I was watching The Complete Steptoe a couple of years ago and realising that so many of the tropes and the approaches of that working class humour were exactly what I was playing with in The Great When.
SA: So in The Great When the plot revolves around a fictional book that appears in the work of Arthur Machen, a real writer from the early 20th century whose horror stories earned him a cult following particularly amongst writers like yourself and Stephen King.
But there's this whole joke in the book about how he's gone out of fashion for being a fascist sympathiser. It feels like a very knowing joke given everything we know about how writers are assessed against their views these days. Tell me why he was a focus for the story.
AM: Well I mean the reason that Machen was the focus of the story was that he's one of my favourite London authors and I noticed that in a couple of his works he seems to be talking about a truer London, a more blazing London that exists behind the facade of the earthly London. So I thought that this would give me access to some of the ideas that I wanted to play with.
The thing about Machen's fascism... this was during the 1930s when Machen was a very old man. Arthur Machen, amongst others, came out for Franco. This has been a bit of a problem for me, squaring that with the Arthur Machen that I've loved in all of his other fiction. I don't think that he'd necessary thought it through and I don't think it's a major factor in Machen's writing but it was one that I felt ought to be addressed.
AM: I've just been reading them to my grandchildren recently and that has reacquainted me with them and I've suddenly realised that he's drunk on language.
He takes off on all of these ridiculous flights of fancy and they are... they're immaculate. The language is perfect, it drips like jewellery and... I was reading them again that I suddenly realised that Mervyn Peake was probably where I got my prose style from. I also realised that I probably got all of my approach to humour, as applied in The Great When, because he is quite funny in places.
But I think I got all of my approach to humour from Galton and Simpson. I was watching The Complete Steptoe a couple of years ago and realising that so many of the tropes and the approaches of that working class humour were exactly what I was playing with in The Great When.
SA: So in The Great When the plot revolves around a fictional book that appears in the work of Arthur Machen, a real writer from the early 20th century whose horror stories earned him a cult following particularly amongst writers like yourself and Stephen King.
But there's this whole joke in the book about how he's gone out of fashion for being a fascist sympathiser. It feels like a very knowing joke given everything we know about how writers are assessed against their views these days. Tell me why he was a focus for the story.
AM: Well I mean the reason that Machen was the focus of the story was that he's one of my favourite London authors and I noticed that in a couple of his works he seems to be talking about a truer London, a more blazing London that exists behind the facade of the earthly London. So I thought that this would give me access to some of the ideas that I wanted to play with.
The thing about Machen's fascism... this was during the 1930s when Machen was a very old man. Arthur Machen, amongst others, came out for Franco. This has been a bit of a problem for me, squaring that with the Arthur Machen that I've loved in all of his other fiction. I don't think that he'd necessary thought it through and I don't think it's a major factor in Machen's writing but it was one that I felt ought to be addressed.
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AM: If it had been an Alan Moore story come to life it would have had much better dialogue and it would have been building towards something with genuine meaning rather than absolute incoherence. No, you can blame me for an awful lot of things in the modern world. I will put my hand up and yes I do have an upsetting habit of being right in my dystopian projections for the future.
SA: What do you think you've got right most famously? Because I have to confess I have watched the film V for Vendetta - as well as having read the comic - and I watched it during lockdown and I was struck by how it imagined a revolution after 100,000 pandemic deaths and in fact we'd had more than twice that in the UK from Covid-19 and no revolution.
AM: Well I think that I managed perhaps in V for Vendetta where I was talking about a dystopia in the future that is all centred upon a centralised computer network. We didn't have the word hacking back then but, yeah ,I think that that's a fairly good prediction of what was actually to come. And I would also say that when in 2011 I made my apparently very upsetting statement that there was something wrong with the masses of people going to see superhero movies that this spoke to me of a kind of mass infantilisation which I thought was politically worrying and this has earned me my reputation as a crazy angry old man who is just angry with everything you know I'm angry with my bowl of Shreddies in the morning because actually that's a lot easier than actually addressing any of the points that I was making.
SA: Some of your most acclaimed comics - Watchmen, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, V for Vendetta - have been adapted into films which you've disowned and refused to watch. The Great When is going to be adapted, isn't it? Why do you feel differently about this one?
SA: What do you think you've got right most famously? Because I have to confess I have watched the film V for Vendetta - as well as having read the comic - and I watched it during lockdown and I was struck by how it imagined a revolution after 100,000 pandemic deaths and in fact we'd had more than twice that in the UK from Covid-19 and no revolution.
AM: Well I think that I managed perhaps in V for Vendetta where I was talking about a dystopia in the future that is all centred upon a centralised computer network. We didn't have the word hacking back then but, yeah ,I think that that's a fairly good prediction of what was actually to come. And I would also say that when in 2011 I made my apparently very upsetting statement that there was something wrong with the masses of people going to see superhero movies that this spoke to me of a kind of mass infantilisation which I thought was politically worrying and this has earned me my reputation as a crazy angry old man who is just angry with everything you know I'm angry with my bowl of Shreddies in the morning because actually that's a lot easier than actually addressing any of the points that I was making.
SA: Some of your most acclaimed comics - Watchmen, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, V for Vendetta - have been adapted into films which you've disowned and refused to watch. The Great When is going to be adapted, isn't it? Why do you feel differently about this one?
AM: Mainly because I actually own this one and it is not an unauthorised work being made into a film that I didn't want it to be made into. Also because I believe that The Great When might actually make quite a good film or TV series, well specifically a TV series, because this is the modern extended television series, is a new format that has arisen since I was complaining about the film adaptations.
One of the reasons I was complaining about them was that you cannot get an extended work into the couple of hours needed for a film. Also because of the way that The Great When is written it's not a comic strip with most of those comic strips that you mentioned I was deliberately trying to do things that could only be done in the comic strip medium so I've got quite high hopes for this potentially forthcoming Great When television series.
I think Time Magazine listed it as one of the kind of 100 best novels and as someone who grew up with comics has been such a major figure in them you'll also be aware that there's great anxiety over the past decade about whether comics - particularly the big brands, Marvel, DC - have lost their way amid the culture wars especially in the US and become bogged down possibly in identity politics and I wonder what you think has happened to comics whether they still have a future.
AM: I have disowned about nine tenths of my comics work including Watchmen, V for Vendetta simply because I'm not allowed to own them and because those works can now be made into any adulterated or ridiculous thing and I have no say in that and so I am also.. I don't really wish to be associated with comics anymore. I realise it's a bit late for that and that yes in the first line of the obituary they're going to be talking about Rorschach.
Nobody's really interested in comics anymore, they don't sell. The only thing that people are interested in is superhero movies. I think that superheroes have grown over the entire comics medium. The comics medium is a wonderful thing, the simple thing of telling stories with a mixture of pictures and words it allows for all sorts of effects that people have barely scratched the surface of. And yet when people talk about comics these days, when people say that they're comics fans, they don't even necessarily have to have read a comic: they just went to see the last Avengers movie.
I think that there are some wonderful talents working in the industry but the industry does not deserve them. Comics have never grown up properly and they insist upon treating their readership and the creators that work for them as if they were children. You know, there has never been an American billionaire who has been traumatised as a child and has decided to go out and fight crime and defend people dressed as a giant bat.
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